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Fathom Holdings Inc. (FTHM) Q2 2022 Earnings Name Transcript

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Fathom Holdings Inc. (FTHM -10.98%)
Q2 2022 Earnings Name
Aug 04, 2022, 5:00 p.m. ET


  • Ready Remarks
  • Questions and Solutions
  • Name Contributors

Ready Remarks:


Good day, and welcome to the Fathom Holdings Inc. second quarter 2022 earnings convention name. [Operator instructions] Please observe this occasion is being recorded. I’d now like to show the convention over to Roger Pondel, investor relations for Fathom Holdings.

Please go forward.

Roger PondelInvestor Relations

Thanks, Sarah, and welcome, everybody, to at the moment’s name. I am Roger Pondel with PondelWilkinson, Fathom’s investor relations agency. And it’s my pleasure at the moment to introduce the corporate’s founder and chief government officer, Josh Harley; and Fathom’s president and chief monetary officer, Marco Fregenal. Earlier than I flip the decision over to Josh, I wish to remind everybody that at the moment’s name could embrace forward-looking statements throughout the which means of the Personal Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Such forward-looking statements are topic to quite a few situations, a lot of that are past the corporate’s management, together with these set forth within the Danger Components part of Fathom’s newest Kind 10-Ok, subsequent Kind 10-Qs and different firm filings made with the SEC, copies of which can be found on the SEC’s web site at Because of these forward-looking statements, precise outcomes might differ materially. Fathom undertakes no obligation to replace any forward-looking statements after at the moment’s name, besides as required by regulation. As well as, outcomes mentioned for the second quarter and for any portion of the 2022 third quarter aren’t essentially indicative of outcomes for the complete third quarter or another future interval.

Please additionally observe that in this name, we shall be discussing adjusted EBITDA, which is a non-GAAP monetary measure as outlined by SEC Regulation G. Essential disclosures about this measure and a reconciliation of it to essentially the most just lately or essentially the most instantly comparable GAAP measure is included in at the moment’s press launch, which is now posted on Fathom’s web site. And with that, it’s my pleasure to show the decision over to Josh Harley. Josh?

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Roger. And naturally, thanks to everybody on at the moment’s name. Our whole staff actually respect your help. I wish to begin by thanking our brokers and staff for his or her ongoing arduous work, not simply towards our imaginative and prescient, but in addition serving to us develop.

I additionally wish to say thanks to our Fathom household for his or her unwavering dedication to making a tradition constructed on service and extra particularly serving and putting others first. Earlier than turning the decision over to Marco, so he can overview our monetary ends in element, I would like to the touch on a number of topics this afternoon. First, the important thing attributes of our mannequin which might be enabling progress in a altering local weather. Second, our latest progress, some challenges we confronted within the second quarter and are prone to face the remainder of the 12 months.

Third, current market situations; and fourth, why we consider Fathom can really profit from the broader market headwinds over the long run. I will additionally present a fast replace on our progress with integrating previous acquisitions, in addition to any M&A exercise. We have had the chance to talk with a number of buyers over the previous few months who’re new to Fathom and the way we function. It is actually gratifying when investor has that aha second as they notice how totally different we’re from different publicly traded actual property firms.

Whereas we acknowledge that Fathom just isn’t resistant to the challenges being felt round our business, we proceed to consider that we have constructed a greater mousetrap. First, Fathom Realty is among the many fastest-growing residential actual property brokerages in america. In reality, in simply 12 years, we have grown to develop into the tenth largest brokers within the nation out of over 86,000 brokerages and the sixth largest impartial brokers. What’s actually distinctive about our actual property brokerage is that we provide brokers the chance to maintain considerably extra of their hard-earned fee {dollars} by means of a disruptive and differentiated flat payment fee mannequin.

In reality, it is so differentiated that we’re the one publicly traded actual property brokerage platform with this fee mannequin. To deal with it in sensible phrases, the common agent who joins Fathom from a standard mannequin brokerage takes house round $12,000 extra in fee yearly. This makes us extremely enticing brokers and permits us to get pleasure from agent retention charges roughly twice the nationwide common. We do not simply appeal to extra brokers, we maintain them.

The general worth we offer brokers who joined Fathom is unmatched by our friends. As well as, as we appeal to extra brokers to our low-cost fee mannequin, our proprietary expertise platform and wholly owned mortgage, title and insurance coverage companies Fathom ought to enable us — slightly ought to enable Fathom to generate considerably extra income and revenue per transaction over time. Additional, we license our proprietary expertise to exterior brokers and brokerages the recurring income subscription providing, additional rising the long-term income potential for Fathom Holdings and the stickiness of our model. While you mix our asset-light digital mannequin, with the financial savings we generate long run from proudly owning our personal expertise, you get an vital key distinction for Fathom.

We’re in a position to cost our brokers lower than different brokerages whereas constructing a mannequin to generate margins much like our friends over time, even those that cost brokers seven occasions to 10 occasions greater than we do. As a few of our earliest buyers have been fast to understand it isn’t simply that Fathom wins due to our distinctive fee mannequin however due to the legal guidelines that we have constructed round our enterprise. We consider it might be extraordinarily difficult, if not not possible, for many of our opponents to vary the Fathom’s mannequin given their value and franchise constructions. Despite softening market situations for the second quarter 12 months over 12 months, income grew by 52.2%.

Importantly, for the fifth quarter in a row, our actual property enterprise was adjusted EBITDA worthwhile. Take into consideration that. We cost a smaller fraction of what different brokerages cost their brokers and but we consider that over the long run, we are able to obtain profitability far sooner than they’ve. Even with at the moment’s financial uncertainty, we consider Fathom has an extended runway forward of us.

In Q2, our agent rely grew by 37.6%, which we consider is optimistic as we had robust comparability to final 12 months’s second quarter, throughout which we made a large brokerage acquisition. As well as, our transactions grew by over 31.5%, once more, coming off a 74% progress within the earlier Q2. Not solely is our agent progress persevering with to outpace most of our opponents, we’re seeing elevated curiosity from brokers on our profession web site. Now, we actively monitor distinctive visits and exercise on the positioning.

And we noticed a 65% enhance in web page views in Q2 in contrast with the identical quarter of 2021. In reality, web page views jumped greater than 14% simply from Might to June of this 12 months. Brokers are starting to really feel the proverbial squeeze, and we consider that our career-site visitors is a robust indicator of future progress. Now as I said earlier, adjusted EBITDA for our actual property enterprise was optimistic this quarter.

Nevertheless, whole adjusted EBITDA was negatively impacted primarily by our mortgage operations because of the unprecedented velocity of rate of interest hikes. Marco will communicate in additional element about that in a couple of minutes. Our value to amass one agent throughout Q2 remained low at roughly $985 making our breakeven on every agent lower than the $1,100 we earn on simply their very first sale. I additionally wish to level out that the common lifetime worth of an agent is presently over $21,000 on simply the actual property aspect of the enterprise.

The ratio of that lifetime worth to our value of agent acquisition is greater than 21 occasions, and that doesn’t have in mind the income we’re producing from mortgage, title, and our insurance coverage firms. A couple of minutes in the past, I referenced comfortable market situations. I will add just a few ideas to make clear what I meant. We’re dwelling by means of unprecedented occasions proper now.

Inflation is in a 40-year excessive. Stock remains to be in comparatively brief provide, and we have not seen rates of interest rise this rapidly in nicely over 50 years, which is regarding for potential consumers and hurting mortgage firms. These exterior influences are having a detrimental affect on all actual property firms. And as I stated earlier, we’re not immune to those market situations.

Furthermore, none of us have an correct crystal ball to distill what’s to come back, though we’re assuming that we’ll proceed to see some stress all through the top of this 12 months. Whereas we consider these macroeconomic situations have been proving far more impactful on our opponents than it has been to us, we’re aware of the challenges that stay. Over time, we do consider that we are able to flip the in any other case opposed market situations right into a tailwind for us. Our conviction to this thesis has not modified.

In reality, it is solely strengthened. Because of these market situations, our focus stays on reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability. I’ve requested our CFO to work with every of our enterprise heads to scale back bills by a complete of $750,000 per quarter by Q1 of subsequent 12 months. We’re decided to rightsize the corporate’s bills.

The principal motive these sorts of market situations may gain advantage Fathom is that we might see extra brokers becoming a member of our brokerage when these brokers start to see their earnings affected. In reality, July was our second-best recruiting month in Fathom’s historical past with a 35% enhance in comparison with July of final 12 months. That is particularly noteworthy as a result of usually, summer time months are the busiest time of 12 months for brokers, in order that they’re much less inclined to vary brokerages. Now bear in mind, there are solely two methods for an actual property agent to internet extra earnings, enhance their income by closing extra gross sales, which is difficult to do in a downturn or lower their bills.

We consider that we can assist brokers do each. The vast majority of actual property brokers, their largest expense just isn’t their advertising and marketing. I want it was. However the truth is, it is the splits they pay their brokerage.

With Fathom, an agent has entry to all of the expertise, coaching, assets and help they’re used to getting at one of many legacy manufacturers get saves a median of $12,000 or extra per 12 months in fee splits paid to the brokerage. In essence, an agent might shut 20% fewer houses and nonetheless earn extra earnings than they did the 12 months earlier than. We consider that it is a key motive why our agent rely continues to rise and why so many brokerages are thinking about becoming a member of the Fathom household. As you realize, our mortgage title and insurance coverage operations have been all added by means of strategic acquisitions, and we’re persevering with to work diligently to combine every enterprise absolutely to make sure sturdy connect charges.

Whereas this course of has been slower than we would like resulting from our deal with reaching breakeven for your entire firm, we’re extremely dedicated to getting there as quickly as doable. And ensuring the bills all through the corporate are in step with the present surroundings and our long-term objectives. Since taking Fathom public, we have additionally made a number of strategic actual property brokerage acquisitions. We have been receiving a good variety of inquiries regularly from smaller brokerages who’re thinking about becoming a member of us.

Whereas we’re keen to maneuver ahead on many of those alternatives, we stay very selective and thorough in our due diligence course of previous to continuing with any specific acquisition. And we have been very cautious to teach potential acquisition candidates and assist them to reevaluate their expectations as nearly all firm valuations have decreased throughout the board. Though this has added a while to the acquisition course of, we anticipate to proceed evaluating and finishing strategic acquisitions over the approaching quarters. We consider valuations might develop into much more enticing if present macro headwinds persist or speed up.

The prevailing knowledge is that actual property brokerages cannot develop or acquire market share proper now resulting from among the unprecedented macro modifications we mentioned. Whereas Fathom is definitely not exempt from these challenges, our mannequin and our execution proceed to drive strong progress to-date. Final however not least, I wish to acknowledge inventory market volatility and its affect on Fathom’s value per share. I do know it is of little comfort to you that different publicly traded actual property brokerage platforms are additionally experiencing dramatic decreases of their public market valuations.

Belief me. My household nonetheless owns round 38% of Fathom. I really feel precisely what you are feeling. That stated I am extremely assured that we’ll ship sustainable long-term worth.

In reality, I am enthusiastic about Fathom’s future. Thanks a lot to all of you who share that imaginative and prescient. With that, I will flip the decision over to Marco. Marco, it is all yours.

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Thanks, Josh. I will begin with an in depth overview of our second quarter outcomes. You can find our year-to-date ends in at the moment’s press launch. Second quarter revenues grew greater than 52% 12 months over 12 months to $128.2 million, in contrast with $84.2 million for final 12 months’s second quarter.

The rise resulted from progress in actual property transactions, increased common income per actual property transaction and income contributions from our newly acquired companies. GAAP internet loss for the quarter was $5.6 million or a lack of $0.35 per share, in contrast with a lack of $2.1 million or $0.15 per share for the 2021 second quarter. Our loss narrowed barely in absolute phrases from $6 million for the primary quarter this 12 months and decreased extra as a share of income given our top-line progress. Yr-over-year change in GAAP internet loss resulted principally from investments in future progress, operational and overhead prices associated to acquired firms, will increase in noncash inventory compensation and noncash amortization of acquired intangible property.

Our adjusted EBITDA loss and non-GAAP measure was $1.9 million versus an adjusted EBITDA lack of $2.3 million for the second quarter of 2021 and $2.1 million for the primary quarter of 2022. Whereas these outcomes got here in beneath the steerage we gave final quarter, income in our core actual property enterprise exceeds our estimates. Roughly 80% of our adjusted EBITDA combine was attributed to our mortgage enterprise, which isn’t shocking given rising rates of interest within the present actual property market. I will present extra colour throughout my overview of our enterprise traces.

Within the 2022 second quarter, G&A was $2.4 million or roughly $9.6 million in whole revenues, in contrast with $8.7 million or roughly $10.4 million of whole revenues for the 2021 second quarter. On a sequential foundation, G&A as a share of whole revenues declined from about 12%. The rise in G&A {dollars} is primarily attributed to just lately accomplished acquisitions and will increase in noncash inventory compensation expense. Bills associated to advertising and marketing actions have been $1.3 million for the present second quarter versus $378,000 for final 12 months’s second quarter.

The change was principally pushed by a rise in advertising and marketing actions associated to new market openings and recruiting bills. Now, I will report our enterprise unit outcomes. Our actual property division continues to carry out very nicely. We grew our agent rely by 38%, ending the quarter with almost 9,600 brokers.

As Josh talked about earlier, brokers can earn more money with Fathom in a down market than they could make with a standard brokerage agency, which we consider is why we’re seeing a pleasant uptick in our recruiting. Moreover, we closed greater than 13,200 actual property transactions for the quarter, a 32% enhance from final 12 months’s second quarter. These outcomes are gratifying contemplating the state of at the moment’s market. Adjusted EBITDA for actual property division was $1.8 million, making our fifth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA profitability.

One of many issues we’re most enthusiastic about is that our gross revenue within the enterprise grew by about $1.2 million from the primary quarter of this 12 months and about $820,000 or 70% of this enhance in gross revenue fell to the adjusted EBITDA line, demonstrating the operational leverage we now have created in our actual property enterprise. Our mortgage enterprise generated revenues of $2.6 million for the second quarter, down barely from our 2022 first quarter outcomes, which isn’t shocking given the discount in mortgage originations throughout the nation. The adjusted EBITDA loss within the enterprise of roughly $860,000, in contrast with $890,000 within the first quarter of this 12 months. As I discussed earlier, our mortgage outcomes for Q2 have been the first motive for adjusted EBITDA miss, pushed by market slowdown in rates of interest that rose sooner than at another time in over 50 years.

That stated, we now have a number of religion in our mortgage enterprise and consider will carry out nicely over the long run. On a optimistic observe, resulting from most of the enhancements we now have been making to our mortgage enterprise, we grew the enterprise by 30% in July versus June of this 12 months. Transferring to our expertise phase; second quarter ’22 revenues have been $656,000, barely increased than the $644,000 for the primary quarter of 2022. Adjusted EBITDA loss in our expertise phase, roughly $325,000 versus a lack of $400,000 for the 2022 first quarter.

Our insurance coverage and title enterprise had mixed revenues of roughly $2.8 million, about $300,000 greater than the primary quarter of this 12 months. Adjusted EBITDA for the companies totaled $130,000, in contrast with $154,000 for the primary quarter of 2022. Breaking down additional, Verus Title generated adjusted EBITDA of $23,000 versus $54,000 for the prior sequential quarter. And adjusted EBITDA for Dagley Insurance coverage is $107,000 versus $100,000 for the prior sequential quarter.

We ended the quarter with a strong money place of $19.5 billion, which supplies us loads of runway to execute our technique. Now I will spend a while on the connect charges. Given the issue market situations for Q2, we selected to not roll out any new markets for Embody Lending. We did, nonetheless, open Colorado as a brand new marketplace for Verus Title.

For Verus Title, we didn’t see vital lower in connect price for Q2, however we did see a lower in connect price for Embody within the second quarter, second half — the second half of the second quarter. Nevertheless, as I discussed beforehand, we noticed a 30% enhance in closed transactions for Embody in July, which is pushed principally from the connection between Embody and Fathom Realty. We consider that we are able to attain connect charges of 10% or higher over the long run. Associated to our share — our repurchase plan 12 months so far as of June 30, we bought a complete of simply over 686,000 shares for about $6 million.

Roughly $4 million stay beneath the plan on the finish of the second quarter. I will end with our steerage for the quarter — for the third quarter of 2022, in addition to up to date steerage for the complete 12 months. This steerage does assume that the residential actual property market will proceed to melt and the rates of interest stay at present ranges or enhance. The corporate believes that if market situations enhance, it might generate outcomes which might be higher than presently anticipated.

For the third quarter of 2022, Fathom expects whole income within the vary of $105 million to $110 million and adjusted EBITDA within the vary of a lack of $1.6 million to a lack of $1.5 million. For the complete 2022 12 months, Fathom is now anticipating income steerage within the vary of $425 million to $435 million, and adjusted EBITDA is now anticipated to vary from a lack of $6.8 million to a lack of $6.6 million. The corporate reiterated that it believes it could actually generate adjusted EBITDA exceeding $40 million per 12 months at 100,000 to 110,000 annual transactions. Whereas Fathom has not supplied a time line for reaching this goal, the corporate believes it could actually keep transaction progress charges much like these because the IPO.

As a reminder, the steerage is a forward-looking assertion, which, as Roger famous initially of this name, is topic to sure dangers and uncertainties. Now, earlier than I hand the decision again to Josh, I want to add my because of your entire Fathom household. Even on this unsure market, our staff is working arduous to generate transactions and supply the absolute best service to our brokers, house consumers and residential sellers. Like most actual property cycles, this one will enhance over time and with our distinctive enterprise mannequin and sure management Fathom is poised to excel.

Now, I would like to show the decision again to Josh so we are able to take your questions.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Thanks, Marco. We consider Fathom has a transparent, seen, and lengthy runway with strong progress prospects. It doesn’t matter what the market holds, we consider our mannequin is positioned to win over the long run. Thanks once more on your belief and being a part of our Fathom household.

With that, operator, we’re able to open the decision to questions.

Questions & Solutions:


Thanks. [Operator instructions] Our first query comes from Darren Aftahi with ROTH Capital Companions. Please go forward.

Darren AftahiROTH Capital Companions — Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, possibly, Marco, might you communicate to type of the cadence of file begins by month within the second quarter? After which how that type of compares to, I assume, the month of July since that is all the opposite day we in all probability have proper now?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Positive. So second quarter for us, we didn’t actually see a major lower. And let me simply say this as nicely. Q2 had two type of two quarters inside one quarter.

The primary two months, April and Might carried out comparatively the identical as earlier years. June or actually even the final three weeks of June was that we begin seeing a discount in file begins, which then proceed into July. And so we didn’t actually see a — at the least for us, we didn’t actually see a major affect within the type of file begins till, for instance, the final three weeks of June. And what we’re seeing proper now could be we’re rising our enterprise comparatively round 45%.

What we see by way of file begins proper now might be a rise of round 30%. And so we’re seeing a lower in file begins between that delta. One of many issues that makes Fathom fascinating in comparison with different firms is that as a result of we proceed so as to add brokers after which we’re including these brokers, they’re bringing in file begins. However the easiest way I believe to reply the query is that once we have been operating a file begins rising round 45%, we’re now rising file begins at round 30% to 35%.

Darren AftahiROTH Capital Companions — Analyst

That is useful. Thanks. After which your feedback about mortgage originations. So I respect that with how rates of interest type of have moved, however are you seeing compression throughout the mortgage enterprise itself on gross margin as nicely?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Completely. So there are three key components within the mortgage firm, sometimes how the — one is how a lot you — your margins, proper? Second is charges that you just cost? And the third is should you hedge and you’ll — some firms could make just a little little bit of from hedging. However what has occurred is that due to the numerous lower within the type of second half of June into July, volumes have decreased considerably. And so what occurs is that the amount decreases, the corporate additionally has much less income, however that impacts margins or some firms develop into far more aggressive, and so they’re making an attempt to achieve any enterprise at any value.

And so margins additionally compressed. So that you see that is pretty typical. Everytime you see a major change within the mortgage business for about two, three, 4 months, you are going to see compression of margins till the market stabilizes after which these margins come again up once more. And so sure, we did see and proceed to see some compression in margins for the — for mortgage, sure.

Darren AftahiROTH Capital Companions — Analyst

Acquired it. And I assume simply final one for me after which I will cross it on. You talked about lowering bills within the aim of $750,000 per quarter by Q1. I assume, what’s type of the low-hanging fruit? And given how rapidly the market modified — should you’re type of wanting again — greater than quarter again, was there some over hiring in ancillary providers that shall be type of the very first thing to go? I am simply type of curious the place a few of these cuts could come from and what’s type of the quickest path we’re getting there?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Positive. It is an amazing query. Go forward, Josh.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Nicely, I used to be eager to say, really, I am right here at this Infinite Convention at the moment and I had an opportunity to talk to a number of dealer house owners and so they requested, what will we do shifting ahead? Like how will we — what ought to we do as dealer house owners shifting ahead on this market? One of many issues I anticipate of them, look, as a dealer, you ought to be on the lookout for alternatives on this market to scale back bills, each enterprise with out fail, together with Fathom. Like, we’re extremely frugal in our enterprise. However even we now have bloat someplace. There’s at all times some fats that may be clogged someplace.

What we do not wish to do is do it — a few of these mortgage firms have carried out, different firms have this huge layoffs. So I believe it isn’t the precise factor to do. It simply reveals poor hiring within the first place. That is not our intention.

We’re on the lookout for different alternatives to be extra worthwhile by means of lowering pointless bills. All of us have issues we like — so we wish to do a extremely good job. We’re very considerate on how we do it. Nevertheless it’s superb should you actually put the microscope to the enterprise the place you’ll find $10,000 right here, $8,000 there, $500.

And so we have gone to each single enterprise head and stated, hey, the place can you discover fats that does not must be right here? That is simply — it is a good to have, not a must have. It does not have an effect on your capability to develop the enterprise. And so Marco’s carried out a great job whipping the proverbial bullet to get them in form, however they’ve all been very receptive. They’ve all been very optimistic to do their half to assist us make this occur.

So actual happy with our teams — go forward, Marco.

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Let me add the next. One of the best ways to take a look at this, I believe, is to say, look, if the corporate — we have been rising at 45% a 12 months for a few years. And if now we’ll develop at 30% or 35%, it is simply the flexibility to scale back the bills to match the income progress. And so by doing that, it is a part of it.

Now, while you’re operating a progress enterprise, you at all times had — it’s important to rent forward, proper, of that progress. And so we’ll decelerate some hiring simply to ensure that our value construction is aligned to our income progress curve. That is all. And with that, we’ll have the ability to say that, it isn’t — it is just a little totally different than among the firms.

And the opposite factor is should you have a look at among the information and mortgage firms, we all know mortgage is a really small part for our enterprise and a number of mortgage firms who’re primarily mortgage firms are going to vital ache proper now. For us, it is simply adjusting — proceed to get the connect price. As I indicated, July was an excellent month in a way of the rise within the connect price and rising their income by 30%. We anticipate that income for ELG will proceed to develop in August as nicely.

And so I believe it is simply that that is possibly a two-quarter adjustment that has to happen. However by way of discount bills actually aligning the expense progress curve to the brand new income progress curve, at the least for the subsequent few quarters till issues get again to regular.

Darren AftahiROTH Capital Companions — Analyst

Nice. Thanks.


Our subsequent query comes from John Campbell with Stephens. Please go forward.

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

Hey, guys. Good afternoon.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Hey, John.

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

Hey, after peeling again the onion right here, I imply, it looks as if all the things is wholesome exterior of the mortgage enterprise. The steerage — I imply, it does seem to be you have received an expectation for stress persevering with there, at the least within the EBITDA aspect. I completely get that. I am just a little perplexed by the income steerage.

I am pondering to get right down to your second-half income type of body, I believe you have both received to lose the brokers, which does not seem to be that is the case. I imply, simply given the commentary about such a robust July otherwise you would possibly — I’m guessing possibly you are assuming a fairly steep drop in transactions per agent and possibly value as nicely. So simply as a place to begin, possibly should you might stroll by means of type of these key components for the annual income steerage.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

I’ll say one factor first, and Marco, I believe you possibly can take it. I really had a possibility of taking a look at each considered one of our opponents’ press releases and listening to each name I can hearken to thus far. The quantity that — I’ve seen a number of them lower was vital. The quantity that we decreased our income was very small, very nominal.

So it wasn’t a giant quantity, however we felt it was the precise quantity. Marco, I will allow you to type of go along with just a little bit extra element about why and why we?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Positive. Sure. We’re definitely not anticipating increased turnover. Truly, our turnover continues to remain constant to the previous.

As we indicated, John, we had the second-best quarter — second finest month in recruiting in July. However at the same time as we add these brokers, these brokers take time to — by the point they be a part of begin doing transactions, proper? Actually, our lower in income — adjustment to income steerage is absolutely extra associated to among the uncertainty available in the market associated to — as you realize, the income per transaction is absolutely associated to cost of homes. We’re starting to see some vital modifications in costs of homes within the West Coast, Idaho, elements of California. And so we simply do not know the way far that’s going to proceed throughout the nation.

What we discovered over time is that modifications sometimes occur within the West Coast and so they type of navigate to the remainder of the nation. And so there are cities within the West Coast the place we’re seeing a major discount. As you realize, that is how income is calculated. It does not actually change our gross revenue per se, however we needed to be conservative in our steerage as a result of there’s a lot uncertainty available in the market nonetheless.

Nevertheless it’s actually extra associated to common per transaction, per se, versus various transactions or versus dropping brokers or all of that. And that is without doubt one of the elements that we simply do not know the way a lot that acceleration and discount in value goes to happen. And so we needed to be conservative in our estimates.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Yeah. When you get to know us higher, you will notice that we attempt to be as conservative as doable. Everybody says that, however not everybody really does it. We do attempt to be very conservative in our strategy.

The issue is we attempt to take a look at the crystal ball, however the extra the federal government, the extra the Fed tried this “assist”, the extra murky that crystal ball turns into and it turns into very tough to start out forecasting and actually understanding what is going on to vary. I want that wasn’t the case, however it’s. It is the world we reside in proper now. So we’re doing the easiest we are able to, however we wish to ensure that we’re placing numbers on the market that we be ok with that it doesn’t matter what occurs, we really feel sturdy.

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

OK. That is sensible. After which I am making an attempt to get just a little little bit of a greater grip on gross margin within the again half. And I do know a number of that’s going to be influenced about what you guys really see from the highest line and the combination and whatnot.

However I imply, I assume, simply conceptionally, if transaction volumes are — gross commissions per agent drop as a lot as you guys possibly expect within the steerage, would you anticipate to see reduction in gross margin, I assume, at the least within the brokerage enterprise?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Nicely, I believe as a result of gross margin in a way is a share, proper, and since we cost a flat payment. So if revenues do lower high line, our $500, say $500 in a way, our gross margins ought to enhance, proper, as a share, proper? And so we expect that the worst-case situation will keep the identical, however really, they might enhance, proper? If the truth is this occurs that the common income per transaction decreases, which can not, proper? And if it does not, then our high line, it is going to be increased than we’re anticipating. However I do not suppose our gross revenue — our gross revenue {dollars} per transaction aren’t going to vary. By way of share, it should rely by way of what the highest line is, proper, as a result of it is principally a share — in order that’s type of how we really feel about that.

So I do not know if I answered your query, however it might depend upon the highest.

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

Yeah. I believe all of us are inclined to deal with our aspect just a little bit an excessive amount of on the % and never the greenback quantity, however — final query for me. Simply getting a greater grip on the mortgage affect. You talked about it definitely impacted the gross margin.

Might you possibly shortcut that for us and simply — I imply, what would have adjusted EBITDA and gross revenue been this quarter had you — had that — not needed to step again within the mortgage enterprise?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

In order that’s an amazing query. So we anticipated that for the mortgage enterprise, if we didn’t have what occurred, particularly within the second half of June, our adjusted EBITDA for mortgage would have in all probability be round about $300,000 or $400,000 optimistic. In order that swing was about $1.3 million to $1.4 million. So you possibly can see that almost all of the miss was actually associated to markets.

Our actual property enterprise continues to do nicely. It is actually — a lot of the story on the miss, it was associated to the mortgage enterprise.

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

Acquired it. Thanks, guys.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer



[Operator instructions] Our subsequent query comes from Tom White with D.A. Davidson. Please go forward.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Hey, Tom.

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

Nice. Hey, guys. How are you? Good afternoon. Two for me, if I might, Josh, you simply talked about crystal ball.

So possibly I will ask you to mud it off once more. And I am curious to listen to your ideas about agent rely and agent additions over the subsequent few quarters. It seems like July was nice from you guys — for you guys from a recruiting perspective. We heard from one other brokerage final evening.

It seems like they’re seeing a type of a fairly steep slowdown in agent provides. Simply type of curious on one hand, it might seem to be a platform like yours would arguably possibly speed up agent attraction in a market like this. However simply curious should you really feel possibly incrementally assured that that would occur or are brokers, I do not know, possibly vulnerable to type of sitting on their palms when the market slows down for just a little bit. After which I had a fast follow-up on bills.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Positive. I believe, initially, you raised a great level. So I attempt to consider the final quarter, the year-over-year progress. So we had about 38% progress for agent progress.

If you concentrate on if we eliminated that acquisition we made final 12 months, this quarter, we would be fairly excessive. So we have been averaging excessive 30percents, 40%, 30%, 38% for in all probability the final a number of years. And so while you take away acquisitions out of it — so we really feel actually good that should you take away the acquisition out of the final one, we would nonetheless be sustaining fairly sturdy equal progress quarter over quarter, 12 months over 12 months for us. And so we really feel actually assured shifting ahead that that may proceed.

However as I discussed, when you concentrate on all of the main indicators, while you have a look at the visitors to our web site, while you have a look at brokerages reaching out to us, eager about becoming a member of our firm, all of these numbers are rising and rising increasingly more. And so it really will get — I am making an attempt to come back on this name and never be overly excited as a result of there’s good, there’s optimistic, there’s additionally negatives. However on the identical time, I am excited for the long run due to all of this that we’re seeing coming in. And so there is no saying by no means let a catastrophe go to waste.

I do not come throughout harsh, however there are some enormous alternatives that would come out of this. So we really feel actually good that one, simply sustaining a extremely sturdy recruiting. We simply added, I consider, 10 recruiters to the staff. So we’re including extra recruiters to assist get the phrase out to assist speak to extra folks.

We’re placing extra on the market with regard to sellers speaking to firms about doable walkovers and acquisitions. As I discussed on a earlier name, walkovers are good as a result of they’re fast and simple. They are often carried out in a really 30, 60 days, whereas an acquisition would possibly take 4 to 6 months, and so it require much more authorized and complications. And so we get a few of these small acquisitions of 40, 50, 60 or 80 brokers in a short time.

So our focus has been — we really put collectively a staff that is devoted to searching for out and speaking to doable walkovers. So we’re doing quite a bit to not solely develop organically simply by means of agent referrals, there’s simply the pure folks reaching out to us as they hear about us available in the market, but in addition being very proactive in reaching out to folks and saying, “hey, have you ever ever heard of Fathom. Do you wish to be a part of one thing rising and greater?” So we have been very, very proactive. And so we really feel good as we transfer ahead and as increasingly more folks really feel that squeeze that they will search us out.

The issue is we’re nonetheless small. Even at virtually 9,600 brokers, there’s over 1.6 million realtors on the market. So the better scheme of issues, folks have by no means heard of us. So a giant a part of that’s simply ensuring we are able to get out in entrance of them.

One of many issues we discovered that we monitor this religiously, it takes about 14 factors of contact earlier than somebody really pulls the set off and be a part of Fathom. So ensuring that we are able to get out in entrance of them, typically it takes two or three months and typically 4 months, typically longer as a result of they have transactions closing. So one of many advantages, regardless that it isn’t nice, however one of many advantages to fewer closings is that they develop into openings, home windows of alternative for brokers to really make a transfer. Final 12 months when issues have been hectic and loopy, they did not have a window to make a transfer.

They’d closing after closing, after closing, after closing. And they also actually did not have a window to make that transition. Now anyone discover themselves with two weeks or three weeks between a closing, which supplies them the proper alternative to go forward and make that transfer. So there are execs and cons clearly to each single market, whether or not it is an up-market or a down-market, we wish to do the most effective we are able to to leverage a down market as finest we are able to.

I believe we’re doing that.

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

Acquired it.

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Tom, let me simply add one thing. The very best two recruiting months within the 12 months is This autumn and Q1 and I believe that given the financial components which might be affecting each actual property agent, we definitely consider that This autumn and Q1 shall be stellar months, stellar quarters for us to proceed to extend recruiting as a result of that is — in our historical past, we all know that these are the 2 finest quarters to recruit brokers.

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

OK. Possibly only a fast follow-up. Any sense on the recruiting in July, whether or not like agent type of tenure or agent high quality was comparable with type of prior quarters? I assume I am simply questioning should you guys would possibly see a giant inflow of brokers over the approaching quarters, guys who’re sitting at different desks, at different corporations notice they’ll have a extremely low manufacturing 12 months and need to grasp their license someplace that shall be a greater worth prop? I do know that previously, you guys have — you don’t need simply brokers, you need high quality brokers, however simply curious whether or not — what July appears like possibly on that entrance?

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Yeah. I will add one thing. I would love Marco so as to add some colour as nicely. First, you are proper, we do not need simply any agent.

We do not wish to be that dealer. There’s a number of them on the market which have 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 brokers, which seems like an amazing quantity, however their common agent closes one or two houses per 12 months. And that simply — it isn’t good as a result of from a popularity standpoint, folks begin to consider that brokerage as a dealer who simply do not know what they’re doing. A bunch of brokers who’re non-productive, that do not do sufficient transactions per 12 months to actually keep on high of market modifications, contract modifications and so forth.

And so we wish to keep away from that. However on the identical time, we’re not idiot, proper? An agent who closes three transactions remains to be worthwhile for us. So we wish to — we simply wish to take it with every agent, separately. If an agent closes one house a 12 months, we in all probability will not take them.

That is at all times been the best way it’s. Two, they have to point out us that they have a need to develop their enterprise. Three, we’ll in all probability take them however attempt to coach them to get to 5, six, seven, eight. We actually need our common transaction per agent to be within the excessive, getting nearer to 10 than being nearer to 1 or two, which some firms do not care about.

In order that’s a part of it. However as we do herald brokers which might be decrease producing, we wish to make a really sturdy deal with coaching them and serving to them get their productiveness up. If they simply do not wish to develop, and we’ll say no all day lengthy. It isn’t price — their time, it isn’t price our time.

I’ve really talked to a number of dealer house owners whereas I used to be right here and a number of them are telling me, most of their brokers that they are dropping or brokers who’re low producing. In order we see a downturn within the variety of transactions closed, we’re seeing a number of the brokers to shut zero houses or one house or two houses simply say, you realize what, I am out, I am out of the enterprise. And so a number of the businesses you are seeing a rise of their agent attrition is coming from these low producing, not producing. It isn’t that they are coming over to firms like ours have higher worth.

They’re simply getting out for the enterprise additionally as a result of on the finish of the day, two closings, whether or not you are making 100% fee otherwise you’re making 80% of the fee remains to be lower than pay the payments.

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

So Tom, needless to say, once more, July, August are the very best months within the business, proper? So producing brokers sometimes shut most of their transactions by means of July, August, September. However to reply your query, July has been a median month by way of related numbers for us by way of common per transaction and all of that. So it hasn’t modified. These higher-producing brokers are going to — and in reality, July — sometimes, July, August aren’t the most effective months for recruiting, regardless that we had our second-best month ever.

These higher-producing brokers are going to start out altering in Q2 and Q3 and This autumn. That is when we’ll begin seeing the higher-producing brokers make a change, provided that their enterprise has decreased. And so for July, August, and September, we’re primarily going to see only a increased amount of brokers becoming a member of us, however they’ll be type of the identical brokers that we have had up to now. The upper-producing brokers ought to are available in This autumn as their enterprise lower, after which they’re on the lookout for a greater compensation and fee.

And that is when we’ll begin seeing these higher-producing brokers becoming a member of Fathom than we sometimes have. That is when that is going to occur, and that is what we anticipate.

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

Nice. And possibly I will slip in yet another, if I can. And thanks for on a regular basis. You made a remark that connect charges for ancillaries have been possibly type of lagging relative to your type of long-term ambitions due partially to type of the deal with attending to profitability.

Simply curious if profitability was type of not a difficulty, like how and the place would you be spending to enhance connect charges? Is it simply type of like launching in additional markets and getting these manufacturers on the market? Are there — is there type of expertise spend that you’d deploy to enhance the connect charges? Simply any colour there? Thanks.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Marco, I will take the primary half and add some colour. However you nailed it while you requested the query. Once we go right into a brand-new market with mortgage or title, there is a sizable upfront value to have the ability to convey folks into that market. So that you rent a department supervisor, rent mortgage officers, all of the folks which might be behind the scenes that make a mortgage work.

So there’s a big value. And so we have been just a little bit slower to open new markets, which we indicated. We have not carried out as a lot of. In order that was a part of it.

Like, if extra markets we open up, the better the connect price general turns into. And the markets we presently have, there are some monetary spend as nicely to get in entrance of brokers, getting a finances to a few of their mortgage officers to allow them to go meet one-on-one for espresso, take folks to lunch, construct their relationships as a result of relationships are how mortgages are referred. So all that — these are all prices that — further prices that we have been making an attempt to be very, very considerate on. However Marco, do you wish to add any extra colour to that?

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Yeah. I imply, there’s preliminary value to open in new market. So we now have — given what occurred within the second half of the second quarter, we didn’t open in new markets for mortgage. We deal with the present markets.

And as I discussed earlier, Tom, July, we noticed a rise of 30% by way of income over June, and that enhance primarily got here from Fathom brokers. So we undoubtedly are seeing a rise within the connect price in July, and I believe we’ll proceed to do this in August and September. In order that has been optimistic. I believe the easiest way to take a look at that is to take a look at this most of a delay of 1 quarter by way of connect charges as we alter our mortgage enterprise.

For Title, we proceed to see a rise. So I believe we’re — we have not seen an impact on that. However I believe for mortgage, it is in all probability a one quarter to two-quarter slowdown, however we rapidly are choosing up the connect price as nicely. The mortgage staff has carried out a extremely good job of coping with this.

Once more, that is unprecedented occasions, and each mortgage firm goes by means of a number of challenges. And so our mortgage staff has labored actually arduous with our actual property brokers in particular markets. So we really feel assured over — in a few quarters, we’ll get again to the traditional connect price, and we’ll proceed to ship on that 10%, which is our long-term aim.

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

Nice. Thanks a lot, guys.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer



This concludes our question-and-answer session. I want to flip the convention again over to Josh Harley for any closing remarks.

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Thanks, operator. And thanks, in fact, to all of you becoming a member of our name at the moment and on your continued help. And we’re extraordinarily happy with all we have achieved and we’ll proceed to work offers towards reaching our goal of including better worth to our firm for the advantage of all our stakeholders. So with that, have a beautiful night, and thanks once more.


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Name contributors:

Roger PondelInvestor Relations

Josh HarleyFounder and Chief Government Officer

Marco FregenalPresident and Chief Monetary Officer

Darren AftahiROTH Capital Companions — Analyst

John CampbellStephens Inc. — Analyst

Tom WhiteD.A. Davidson — Analyst

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